tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post1535305644271004984..comments2023-10-02T07:31:06.782-07:00Comments on Story Editor: Welcome to My Guest Author: Kamy ChettySerena Tatti Story Editorhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/17925330119104651251noreply@blogger.comBlogger30125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-74643397023033380202013-03-07T00:49:15.643-08:002013-03-07T00:49:15.643-08:00Hi Lia,
Kamy is right and we can see her point by ...Hi Lia,<br />Kamy is right and we can see her point by that example from her book. You would understand someone thinking she was not the person she really is deep inside, and had we not read those couple of lines, we might never know just what makes Sophie the person she is.<br /><br />Thanks for dropping in, Lia.Serena Tatti Story Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17925330119104651251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-67003831887551628702013-03-07T00:45:53.851-08:002013-03-07T00:45:53.851-08:00Hi Michelle,
It's that getting "inside yo...Hi Michelle,<br />It's that getting "inside your character's skin and show your reader things you would otherwise have to tell" that draws the reader into the story. <br /><br />Thanks for coming in and saying hi.Serena Tatti Story Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17925330119104651251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-33912854232313325702013-03-07T00:42:10.911-08:002013-03-07T00:42:10.911-08:00Hi Lorraine,
I am a POV purist (just ask many of m...Hi Lorraine,<br />I am a POV purist (just ask many of my clients!) I will always point out what I perceive are problems with POV (head hopping, omniscient POV, poor POV changes, out of POV, etc). There are certain authors who head hop a LOT. In fact that's how my very favourite author lost me as a fan. Sometimes you can enhance a story by having more than just two POVs, but you don't need just one line from several characters. Only include POVs that move the story along. <br /><br />There are some publishers that accept head hopping, and I suppose that English is an evolving language. Certain words are used for different things than what they used to be and new words are born regularly. And new ways of writing are born regularly (e.g. 30 or 40 years ago, I would never have got away with starting a sentence with *and* or *but*). Another example, many years ago an author would never have got away with speech tags such as *he breathed* or *she grimaced*. They are action tags and people can not breathe or grimace dialogue. Or laugh, smile, etc. Yet they are becoming more common in published books.<br /><br />I will always point out that action tags cannot be used as dialogue tags, problems with spelling or punctuation, just as I will point out head hopping or other POV problems—but some people are very adamant that they're right. In the end, it's their baby.<br />Thanks for stopping by.Serena Tatti Story Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17925330119104651251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-30886187412073726192013-03-07T00:28:52.974-08:002013-03-07T00:28:52.974-08:00Hi Nas,
I know exactly what you're talking abo...Hi Nas,<br />I know exactly what you're talking about—when attending my very first conference (the now defunct Australian Chapter of the Romance Writers of America) I was sharing with someone I'd just met a couple of times. Elvina and I bonded over what we learned to call *wall-bangers*. I used to be more lenient and read at least three or four chapters before I decided, but now I'm very choosy and a book might quickly become a wall-banger :) or should that be :(<br /><br />Thanks for coning in, Nas.Serena Tatti Story Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17925330119104651251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-80611308829580256142013-03-07T00:27:44.464-08:002013-03-07T00:27:44.464-08:00Hi Serena and Kamy, loved your comments above, so ...Hi Serena and Kamy, loved your comments above, so neat to chat with like minded people :) TashNzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02146884245899602417noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-75662846052711623852013-03-07T00:09:34.812-08:002013-03-07T00:09:34.812-08:00Hi Lia, thanks for stopping by. The trick is not t...Hi Lia, thanks for stopping by. The trick is not to think about using it while you're writing. When you write the book- just write and get the book done and over. Then when you're editing- take a breath and think about how you can make subtle changes. You'll get the hang of it. It has to do with the character- remember- you're bringing out the essence of the character. You're showing the character's personality and how they act and react. You start thinking about things like that- I promise you- an editor will start paying attention. Good luck Lia:-)Kamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17505156427855933929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-2180346637001093852013-03-07T00:05:37.520-08:002013-03-07T00:05:37.520-08:00Hi Michelle- thanks for stopping by. Isn't it ...Hi Michelle- thanks for stopping by. Isn't it amazing how Deep POV is the new best thing. It's like everybody is doing it and it puts a new spin on things and there is so much you can do with it. Such a neat tool to use, it's like a new toy:-)Kamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17505156427855933929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-21022582415688815372013-03-06T23:58:25.762-08:002013-03-06T23:58:25.762-08:00Thanks for coming by and I am so glad you brought ...Thanks for coming by and I am so glad you brought that up. The most important thing about deep POV is you can't head hop or switch POVs too often if you are going to use it. The pount of using deep POV is to get the reader involved and connected with the character. So you're trying to get the reader experience what the character is experiencing- now if you switch POV too often- you are going to lose that. So my advice would be- either keep it to one POV per scene or chapter. It works best that way. There are writers that head hop but they don't use deep POV in the true sense of the word. Hope that helps.Kamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17505156427855933929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-70412846087080461822013-03-06T23:54:22.525-08:002013-03-06T23:54:22.525-08:00Nas- you know throwing the book across that room i...Nas- you know throwing the book across that room is why some of us become writers LOL- but it's not easy to write it and get it right that is why we have some great editors out there and great workshops and writing groups. And let's not forget great blogs and people like you who help spread the word- you are all awesome and you play a huge role in making writers better- because we can always learn and improve and giving us all an opportunity to put out better work. So thank you:-)Kamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17505156427855933929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-74523293509979156512013-03-06T23:50:43.343-08:002013-03-06T23:50:43.343-08:00Okay you two- stop it- you both are making me blus...Okay you two- stop it- you both are making me blush- I might have to have hubby come over and look at these comments:-) But the truth is there are many great writers out there who use DPOV and it's great when you get so involved in the characters that you can't wait to turn the next page to see what happens next. I know I did a few mean things to my characters in this book but I did give them a happy ending:-)Kamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17505156427855933929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-26758068586024627462013-03-06T23:47:28.148-08:002013-03-06T23:47:28.148-08:00Thanks so much for stopping by:-)Thanks so much for stopping by:-)Kamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17505156427855933929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-70213631538527131672013-03-06T23:46:19.577-08:002013-03-06T23:46:19.577-08:00Thanks so much for that Tash. When I first started...Thanks so much for that Tash. When I first started writing it was always said- don't portray the hero as someone who is fickle and who is too cold and personally I like the alpha hero and in my next book I have a brooding hero but using a different POV shows why and going into deep POV gives it that extra oomph. I think it's great and it gives the reader an emotional journey. It's great seeing you here. Glad you liked the book:-)Kamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17505156427855933929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-3411898403659545362013-03-06T23:42:04.968-08:002013-03-06T23:42:04.968-08:00Serena- you are so right- but you know who does it...Serena- you are so right- but you know who does it with style- Stephen King. That man can make me hide under the blankets with all the lights on:-)Kamyhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17505156427855933929noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-23501796881078164992013-03-06T22:27:51.656-08:002013-03-06T22:27:51.656-08:00Belated Hi to Kamy and Serena,
thanks for an amazi...Belated Hi to Kamy and Serena,<br />thanks for an amazing post. I have the feeling deep POV requires you as the writer to bare your soul, and that comes out on the page. It's something I definitely need to work on. Thanks again.Lia Khttps://www.blogger.com/profile/01412428828772309590noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-4946389466840087042013-03-06T19:27:31.046-08:002013-03-06T19:27:31.046-08:00Hi Kamy and Serena
I am becoming more and more fa...Hi Kamy and Serena<br /><br />I am becoming more and more fascinated with deep POV. The ability to get inside your character's skin and show your reader things you would otherwise have to tell. Kamy, your example above, about Sophie's past, is so clever, and tells us so much, without really 'telling' us. I love it!<br /><br />This is something I am currently trying to infuse into my own writing. The power of suggestion is a wonderful thing.<br /><br />Thanks again to both of you.<br /><br />Michelle<br />Michelle Somershttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12456587199949658362noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-37907311532333743832013-03-06T11:21:44.421-08:002013-03-06T11:21:44.421-08:00Nice write-up, Kamy. I've read books with too ...Nice write-up, Kamy. I've read books with too much telling and not enough showing, or inner thoughts as they may be. Boring. <br /><br />I've also read books that had too many POV switches, and I actually wrote to the publisher. The editor for that book wrote back and I was told it was deep POV. I'm in her head one minute and his the next and it gets confusing. <br /><br />When learning to write in the romance genre, overcoming abrupt POV changes was something I struggled with. One scene, one POV. And now they (the editors) seem to be saying it's okay. Can you clarify this a little better for me? :) Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-50923422035228517522013-03-06T04:31:15.109-08:002013-03-06T04:31:15.109-08:00Serena - tell me about it. I adore it when a book...Serena - tell me about it. I adore it when a book engages me, but I do pay a price for getting lost in book.<br /><br />Not that I mind.<br /><br />Welcome to MBB - always enjoy your comments.Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977676093756206414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-71673212059692987652013-03-06T04:29:31.478-08:002013-03-06T04:29:31.478-08:00Hey Nas, you really nailed that. Now that I'm...Hey Nas, you really nailed that. Now that I'm reading something which is so crudely written, I'm appreciating our writers even more.Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977676093756206414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-48151013560509404862013-03-06T01:56:47.177-08:002013-03-06T01:56:47.177-08:00Hi Kamy and Serena!
Thank you for such a wonderfu...Hi Kamy and Serena!<br /><br />Thank you for such a wonderful post. As readers we need to really care why a character acts and does what he does. If we don't care about the character, we will just throw the book!<br /><br /><br />Nas-logged in a different account! Romance Book Paradisehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/05777481763841085320noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-13045154755344537902013-03-06T01:40:34.049-08:002013-03-06T01:40:34.049-08:00Hi Maria,
Don't you love it when the author ca...Hi Maria,<br />Don't you love it when the author can make you forget everything other than wanting to read about the characters in her book? How many meals were late (or perhaps overcooked) because I was too busy reading :)<br /><br />I must go over and visit your blog too. Thanks for coming in.Serena Tatti Story Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17925330119104651251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-21982445340859750332013-03-06T01:36:23.442-08:002013-03-06T01:36:23.442-08:00Absolutely, Desere! Thanks for stopping by.Absolutely, Desere! Thanks for stopping by.Serena Tatti Story Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17925330119104651251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-61839209230288524742013-03-06T01:35:44.270-08:002013-03-06T01:35:44.270-08:00Hi Tash,
That's very true. Many years ago when...Hi Tash,<br />That's very true. Many years ago when the reader was only privy to the heroine's POV, the hero could be a total ass and the reader could be forgiven for hoping the heroine actually tells him to get stuffed! But if we know what he's thinking and feeling and why he reacts to the heroine the way he does, all can be forgiven as we fall in love with him even before the heroine does.<br />Thanks for coming in, Tash.Serena Tatti Story Editorhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/17925330119104651251noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-6885421011797886612013-03-06T01:31:07.563-08:002013-03-06T01:31:07.563-08:00Hi Kamy, I'm reading a book right now and the ...Hi Kamy, I'm reading a book right now and the writer could take some lessons from you. It's pure narrative, we never get inside the character's head. She has sex with this person and that person and there is no clue why. She makes decisions to go to the other end of the earth and you don't know why. You don't care either. And as for the sex - you don't want to know. You wrote a story with characters who engaged the reader from the outset and had the reader's attention. I felt the connection and cared about the characters. Well done Kamy. You're over on my blog this week. too. I really enjoyed hosting you.Mariahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/09977676093756206414noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-18585849148463132872013-03-05T21:33:02.289-08:002013-03-05T21:33:02.289-08:00This comment has been removed by the author.Deserehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/15827416839061123325noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-6862974150044524655.post-48122163579922002592013-03-05T21:32:32.861-08:002013-03-05T21:32:32.861-08:00Hi Kamy. I love that modern times have enabled us ...Hi Kamy. I love that modern times have enabled us to have more access to books and for writers to have more options in how they get published. Thank you for the neat post! I love deep POV but especially from the male characters when they're being so tough and macho to the heroine, it helps towards the wanting the reader gets to hope and hope everything will work out. I mean I know it always does but I love it when you're sitting there all caught up and hoping against all hopes it'll all work out and sometimes the deep POV from the male helps you see that he's not so tough on the inside and the reasons why he may be acting like an ass. In the case of Falling into Paradise (which I loved) I loved Damon's POV, it added to creating the fab characters of him and Sophie :)TashNzhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02146884245899602417noreply@blogger.com